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People You Should Know: Hanson Hosein
Posted by Scott Meis
I recently had the opportunity to speak with one of my favorite local storytellers and communications leaders, Hanson Hosein. Between directing the University of Washington’s Master of Communication in Digital Media program, running Media Space, shooting an award winning independent film, and leading Four Peaks – Hanson is one busy man. Huge thanks to Hanson for taking time out of his schedule to provide insight below. A coworker previously recapped some learnings from Hanson’s recent SAL lecture and this Q&A provides some deeper insight on the relevance of storytelling in the PR industry and the ways in which communications continue to evolve.
In lectures and presentations, you talk about the convergence of journalism and marketing. Expound upon the future outcome you envision and overall impact this will have on the PR industry.
The “storyteller uprising” that I refer to in my talks is predicated on a simple foundation. We’ve seen an explosion in the wide availability of cheap communications technology (cameras, smartphones, social media distribution networks), combined with a breakdown in business models for media organizations that have traditionally enjoyed an institutional lockdown in communications. Suddenly, anyone now has the opportunity to create a trusted relationship through communication. And that “trust” is no longer relegated to brand names in marketing or journalism. Anyone can establish that trust by creating a powerful narrative, and then by interacting on a regular basis with those we seek to engage with our story.
What does this mean for PR? Traditionally, PR served as the intermediary between companies seeking to sell something (a product, an idea) with professional media outlets. In many ways, PR had to learn journalistic skills to do its job well, in addition to understanding the marketing side. Now, those professional media outlets still retain some value, but there’s also this remarkable opportunity for us to engage people directly. No one really likes to be “spun,” “messaged” or “marketed” to – and younger people are increasingly becoming savvy to that. So if you’re going to expect anyone to pay attention to what you’re saying, you’ll need to create valuable content, with a voice of authenticity that is relevant to people’s lives. Who says that this needs to continue to be the exclusive preserve of journalism or marketing? Public relations at its heart is about engagement – it just needs to learn a few more reflexes and reconsider its own business.
In other words, PR can think more expansively now – it can push into advertising and digital marketing agencies’ territory. And it can help build direct, trusted relationships around media and information. Ultimately this means a title shift for the industry along the lines of “Engagement Management” or “Trusted Communications” (the funny thing is that “Public Relations” is probably most apt now – but it’s a tarnished term in the average person’s eyes). It’s a huge opportunity to create a one-stop shop for clients if done strategically, entrepreneurially and with an eye on tight budgets.
Content. Content. Content. We’re in a transformative period where the notion of active content creation is flooding mainstream. Can you provide a couple of examples of the type of content that’s recently caught your eye or regularly breaks through the clutter?
Clearly any powerful story cuts through the clutter. That’s why we’ve been so rapt with attention over the people’s uprisings in the Middle East – we can relate to people who rise up against oppression. And those people are creating content on a regular basis through online video and social media channels despite the best efforts of repressive regimes to lock them down. I’ve also been recently impressed with car companies like Ford and Hyundai: their engagement strategies (the Fiesta Agent program was brilliant), combined with bold narratives really catch my eye. But even here we need to take a step back when we think about “content.” It’s not just about the quality of what these companies are communicating….their success also comes in the products that they’re creating – which are obviously industry-leading. In other words, your communication strategy itself doesn’t win the day. The content itself has to be good. People see through crap more than ever today.
A couple of years ago, I wrote this post around skills needed to compete by young PR pros. With digital continuing to play a larger role in all overall strategic communications plans, what advice are you delivering to your students to prime up for a competitive job market?
The deep economic recession has forced us all into the ROI (Return on Investment) age. In other words, we think twice before we expend any energy or resources on a particular endeavor until we’re sure that the value proposition is a good one. I believe the same holds true to the education that we offer: we just can’t take for granted that professionals are going to want to plunk down their money and take whatever we have to offer. We need to work harder to prove the value proposition to justify their money and time. This requires nimble, entrepreneurial thinking on our part, and an ability to provide high quality educational content.
The same holds true for what our students need to do to get a job. They need to show that they have a specific, unique skill set (storytelling, social media skills, a keen understanding of engagement in the digital age), but that they’re also capable of stretching for the task at hand. Everything is changing so fast that to profess immutable expertise – and to hang your hat on that – is almost dishonest. Rather, we should all be prepared to do what it takes to accomplish the task with consistent excellence. Our students who are finding great jobs are those who have demonstrated leadership abilities in the communication field, along with a strong sense of the practical.
As a master storyteller, what are three core components that you look for in any good story?
(1) A clear narrative with a memorable, emotional punch.
(2) Creative, non-distracting production qualities (or compelling visuals)
(3) A desire to engage beyond the beginning, middle and end of the narrative itself.
You’re helping lead collaboration of Seattle’s top technology innovators through your Four Peaks Salon. What local storytelling or innovation trend are you most excited about?
I love the confluence between community engagement and technology in our region. It’s what sets us apart. We like to connect – online, and in-person through events. And there are so many local developers who are creating new platforms to facilitate those connections to bring together the real and the virtual in a way that allows us to capture the moment of that connection, and to have it lead to something meaningful even after the event is over. That’s what we’re focused on with Four Peaks – to create that connective tissue that enables amazing collaborative work to emerge from those surprising human connections.
Note: This post also appears on the Weber Shandwick Seattle blog. I also encourage you to check out other featured communications pros from my People You Should Know series.
People You Should Know – Thurston Hatcher
Posted by Scott Meis
This edition of People You Should Know features Thurston Hatcher, one of my old clients from Rush University Medical Center. Currently the Web managing editor and social media manager at Rush, Thurston has helped Rush forge ahead with online communications.
Thanks Thurston and congrats on completing the Chicago Marathon!
Any hospital that integrates social media into their communications efforts inevitably faces resource barriers as efforts scale. How are resources at Rush balanced to manage your social strategy?
We certainly don’t spend vast sums on our social media efforts. It’s just one component of our overall marketing strategy, and of my job. I devote about an hour a day to social media, our Media Relations team maintains the Rush News Blog, and others in our marketing department help with video production along with writing and rounding up blog contributions. Plus we have smart consultants who help us keep on top of the ever-changing social media landscape. But overall it’s a relatively small line item in our budget.
Obviously many hospitals have either A) realized the value of integrating online engagement or B) are at least willing to test the social waters. What would be your advice to a hospital that is still teetering with making the leap into utilizing social media?
What’s holding you back? People are already out there talking about you, and if nothing else you ought to be listening to what they’re saying and, even better, interacting with them. It’s not that hard, and as I already noted, it’s neither forbiddingly expensive nor time-consuming. And it’s a simple way to become your own mini-media outlet and draw attention to the compelling stories coming out of your hospital.
Between Tweets, video, blog posts, status updates…what type of content do you see resonating best with your audience?
Compelling stories by and about staff and patients seem to generate the most attention. But tweets about research findings at Rush, along with exciting or occasionally offbeat health news in other publications tend to generate a fair number of clicks and retweets. On Facebook, I sense the most interest coming from people who either work, study or have been treated at Rush – and they love photos, particularly historic images from the archives and new ones showing progress on our new hospital buildings.
The Big Kahuna. R.O.I. What’s been the #1 metric for Rush to look at as a strong investment of resources in social media?
ROI is particularly tough to gauge with social media, not unlike, say, advertising or PR. Fortunately, we don’t feel a huge amount of pressure to attach dollar values to each and every tweet and Facebook post. We do pay attention to the metrics, though, and we feel we’re doing our job if we’re continuing to build an audience, connecting with patients and the community, and spreading the word about the great work going on at Rush.
People You Should Know – Erica May
Posted by Scott Meis
This latest edition of People You Should Know features Seattle’s own Erica May, West Coast Director for Ignite Social Media. Enjoy and thanks Erica!
You recently hopped over from REI and are now Ignite’s West Coast Director. Tell us what an “average” work day looks like for you and what keeps you thriving even on rainy, overcast days.
I love my job because there’s never an average day. Most days I’m working on East coast hours from the West coast to collaborate with my team in Raleigh, but occasionally I’ll “sleep in” when I’m headed to a networking event at night. I’m also really lucky to work at Ignite because we have such a diverse range of clients. I get pulled into strategy and brainstorming meetings that range from social media to mobile strategy on a different topic every week. I’m also in a really fun and challenging place because I get to help shape what our office looks like out in Seattle. In addition, I’m also heading up our mobile team.
I don’t have time to worry about the weather. I’m at a place in my life where I like to take on everything. I am working on my Masters of Communication at University of Washington, I teach mobile strategy classes at the Seattle School of Visual Concepts, I help local nonprofits with their social strategies, I am going to start helping with logistics for the Seattle Social Media Club and I just did my first triathlon. Getting up at 5am has the advantage of being able to go hiking with my dog, mountain biking, kayaking or snowboarding when everyone else is still working.
From double…and even triple rainbows to Old Spice, Steven Slater and beyond, social media opens a huge avenue for people to focus efforts specifically around generating attention via remixes, spin-offs and yes, even mockery of original content. What steps do you think are key to ensuring a brand proactively plans for the potential “second wave” of attention, be it good or bad?
There’s a few exceptions, but I think the most memorable and viral videos are usually created on accident. It’s challenging to try to take organic material and turn it into something that the world is going to accept when you’re a big brand. Recently Microsoft pushed out a spin-off of the double rainbow video to promote Windows Live Photo Gallery. It was on the homepage of Yahoo, there was a write up on Mashable and it got a ton of coverage all across the internet. It may not all appear to be all positive, but I’ll tell you what… a lot more people now know about Windows Live Photo Gallery and the photo stitching feature. It’s hard to offer any steps to success here because it’s really about the particular brand in my eyes and carefully strategizing what makes sense.
At REI, you must have done some pretty cool stuff like tweeting upside down while scaling a mountain sans safety ropes, right?! Or maybe just while wingsuit jumping? Any good adventurous social media moments?
REI is such an easy brand to love. Our stores were a prehistoric version of Facebook. People walk through the doors and instantly feel a sense of community. I was so lucky to have a part in translating that component of the brand to the internet, social networks and mobile. Every single day was an adventure working there. There were people slack lining, biking, doing yoga, playing volleyball and running all the time. The employees really lived the brand, and my co-workers pushed me to do a lot of things.
During my first “Bike to Work” month I wondered how I was realistically going to get from Issaquah to Kent on a bicycle, but three months later I did my first century. I believe it’s really important to work for a company you can really stand behind that also pushes you to be better and (most importantly) one that lets you have fun. I also thrive on having teammates that challenge me and teach my at least nine things everyday. REI was all of those things, and when I decided that it was time to make a career move I looked for those same things, and that’s why I’m at Ignite.
Some fun things I got to do at REI were to write a blog post that featured my dog, Kiwi and to be in our standup paddleboarding video. It is one thing to run a YouTube page, but it’s a whole other thing to be able to be in the content that you’re pushing out. It’s things like that which make REI such an authentic brand.
I’m continually impressed with Seattle’s nonprofit community. Any that you work or volunteer with that stand out in your mind?
An organization I really love is EarthCorps. They bring people together from around the world to Seattle to do environmentally focused projects. Outdoors for All and Girls on the Run are also two of my favorite nonprofits. No matter what hobby or passion you have there’s a nonprofit in Seattle to volunteer at. That’s incredible. Volunteering will always be a huge part of my life. I can do all the things I love, share those things with others at the same time and have an impact on so many people. Everyone reading this should make an effort to spend at least an hour a month donating their time to a nonprofit. It’s such a small amount of time, but can make such a difference.
Connect with Erica via her blog
Follow her on Twitter (@ericaannemay)
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